Today is the first of many podcasts to come, where we take a monograph-style deep dive into herbs and blends within the SuperFeast apothecary. Being 30 days of JING- and being our star foundation blend, it felt fitting to start with the JING blend.
In dialogue with Sophia- a long-time SuperFeast team member, stellar human being, and herb educator, Mason discusses the process of developing the JING blend, its beautiful balance of Yin/Yang herbs, and why it's an essential foundational blend for most people. We use the term foundational because the JING blend specifically focuses on servicing blood, core energy, libido, bones, marrow, longevity, brain capacity, youthfulness, buoyancy, and general hormonal regulation. In short, it's the blend to go to when you start to feel exhaustion and fatigue settling within your system.
In this episode, Mason talks in depth about Jing essence- the driving force, resilience, and momentum that allows us to meet life with optimal capacity and stay grounded through the most challenging and animated times. As with everything we do at SuperFeast, the intention of evolving towards elderhood with grace and ease is bound to our Jing essence- our ability to cultivate, store and use it wisely.
Mason goes through the individual herbs within the JING blend detailing their herbal actions, why he incorporated them in the blend, and the organ systems they tonify and work through. It's one thing to take a herb/blend and see results as they permeate through the body- but to understand the herbal actions and grasp how they work within your system- while feeling that action and seeing results takes healing to another level. Mason also weaves in a few of the mystical lore-based Classical Chinese Medicine stories behind some of the individual herbs, taking us back to the magical roots of this revered ancient herbal system.
"But every one of these herbs has Lore behind it. And they are highly revered because of the amounts of people who have received that little bit of extra perception that allowed them to keep the tenacity, to keep on going, to reach elderhood and pass wisdom- that's recognised. And that's why when you look at the JING herbs- Eucommia, Cordyceps, Goji, and Cistanche; people overflow with gratitude for them. And they're so needed right now in the world. For humans, these herbs are the messengers from heaven- and they bring a message of perception".
Mason and Sophia discuss:
- Jing, Qi and Shen.
- Jing and Lung function.
- Jing and Spleen function.
- Jing and Kidney function
- Prenatal and postnatal Jing.
- Herbal actions of the JING blend.
- Signs of Jing depletion within the body.
- Why JING blend is great for menopause.
- How JING blend stops premature ageing.
- When to incorporate JING blend into your life.
- JING testimonials that have transformed lives.
- How the JING blend services the Kidneys and Lungs.
- Sourcing regions and Di Dao for each of the herbs in JING blend.
- JING blend; a great grounding-introductory product to the SuperFeast range.
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Mason Taylor is the CEO/Founder of SuperFeast and a renowned tonic herbalist. On a soul mission to bring people back to their body and nature while bursting through dogma, he shares passionately and uniquely in his workshops, podcast, and content on how to cultivate healing and potentiation through health sovereignty. An expert in Daoist tonic herbalism, Mason has helped tens of thousands of people globally discover medicinal mushrooms, adaptogenic tonic herbs, and the healing philosophy from which they emerged. Mason is also a budding comedian; bursting the bubble on the “health scene” with his antics.
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Hey, everybody. Welcome to the podcast. I got a new format today. We've had a few people requesting us do a little bit more of a deep dive, like a monograph and the life behind the formulas and blends. So I've got Sophia, here who's a longtime SuperFeaster, sidekick and educating about the herbs, and the philosophy here. And especially making sure our team hums along in alignment with the Tao. And the team has put together some questions. I'm loosely aware of what they are. But, hey, welcome to the podcast, Sophs?
Hi. Hello, everyone. It's lovely to be here.
Yeah, first time on the pod?
First time on the pod, yes. Sitting in the hot seat many times behind the production lines of the pod.
Well, let's jump in. I'm mean JING is such a ... I'm around it so much, and I've been thinking about it so much with 30 days of JING. But just preparing for this, even just in my last minute, little scramble, looking back over some of my notes. And the life, coming back to life, the space that I was at when I was formulating that, and really looking forward to this.
Cool, me too. So I'd love to hear, Mas, just for everyone, for new ears and even for people who have been with us for the long haul. What was the idea behind developing the JING blend? So this is a very carefully curated formula, that was targeted for everyone in the West. And it would be really great to go back in time and really sink into the space of when you were first developing that, and the energy behind it and your intention behind it.
Yeah. So it's a natural thing to be using a lot of JING herbs when you first get into tonic herbalism. That was the first experimentation I had with putting together my own little blends, which is just mixing herbs together. So I'd have all the JING herbs. And I was just, for maybe six years before I did the formula, it was just nonstop, sometimes using 20 at a time, sometimes two. Then when I was at the markets, talking to a lot of people about, when it comes to JING, it's exhaustion, all those beginning signs.
It's not ageing itself. But when you just get that feeling that perhaps there's not as much grace in terms of just how quickly your knees are going down, or lower back's going down. The brain, people getting foggy in their brain, and just not feeling like maybe ... There are a lot of people, unfortunately, who maybe they live a fun life, so maybe this is what they want do anyway, but that's what they wanted to do anyway, is ... I'm going to just get rid of that sound. There are people ... And I'm just going to cut that, Jerry, will come, and come back.
I'm not saying that it's a bad thing. Maybe they wanted to do that anyway, but there are people who are just living just a little bit outside of their capacity. The complaints started, it was just the number one thing. It was immunity for the mushrooms, and then just tired, exhausted, just don't have the ... And what the word is, they don't have the JING to function. And especially so you can be that 70-year-old, 80-year-old. It's not idealistic. We're just putting the option in your body's favour, so you haven't prematurely aged, and it was just rife. Everyone who was having very sincere conversations.
I'm just going to pause there. Just a heads up with the, I do that a lot. The going, "Yep." And I do it a lot in the podcast.
I would thinking, I'm like, "No." Okay, but that's-
Yeah, it's cool. And so it was just more or less by necessity. That's why all the formulas, that's why every time I've been pushing a formula, that is an indirect conversation with our community, is always when it's been just impossible for me to come up with anything, because that's where I was. And so I had been doing all these experiments with my JING formulas. And that was the first time I ever put together. Back then, it would've been Eucommia bark, Cordyceps, some [inaudible 00:04:20], had Cistanche in your pants in there, deer antler, putting Goji. I would have that array, it was like when I put them together, and went out into the grass and had a nice hot tonic, it was the first time I really felt what my JING was. Energetically, maybe? I don't know what actually happened, but I could just feel everything that resonated around the kidneys. And it was that kidney water come to life, and something got activated. I felt myself really connected to the earth. And I felt those deep roots and I could, it was just so visceral.
And so then I was like, "Okay, that's the outcome. It's just connection." So it started formulation, trying to throw the whole kitchen sink at it. Which you don't really need to do with tonic herbalism, but I could have made it like a 20-ingredient party. But it was a simple outcome. I wanted it to be balanced in yin and yang. I wanted it to be really especially connected to the organs, to the lung organ, the mother of the kidneys, and therefore, nourishing the kidneys. But then really connected also to the liver. So there's a lot of herbs.
There was a secondary interest around the herbs that I was including having a lung connection, so that you can get a nice flow into the yin and yang. You get some mothering and teaching to the kidneys in how to ensure that that yin and yang of hot and cold can be regulated and built. That's what a really high-quality lung function, lung/metal function, is what allows the kidneys to thrive. And then if then the kidneys have that outlet, and the Liver wood has been tonified, and flowing at the same time, then the kidneys get to really step into that mothering function that they have.
And so that's where I knew I wanted to land. I knew I didn't want it to be overly, people think that yang herbs are stimulating. Not that they are, but it can be a bit much for people. I didn't want people to get massive yang spikes. And likewise, there's people out there who have yin and yang deficiencies who maybe, they need to be going and seeing a practitioner about those. But they're going to get their hands on tonic herbs, and JING herbs. And I wanted that to make sure we weren't tilting too far in one direction, just so it was a nice easy in.
That's where I was at. And I knew from the beginning, it was going to be, I was like, at some point I just landed on, I knew this was going to be a six-ingredient. I've got my little story of who does what, the little court of JING herbs. And yeah, they each have their own little intention, well, I guess we'll going into it a little bit later, I assume we'll talk about the herbs?
We will. Thank you for sharing that. And I know just sharing my introduction to JING before I worked at SuperFeast, it was the first time I had eyes on the company. And I just, for some reason, was really sold on it, and working in customer service for three plus years now. It's been something that we've just noticed so much profound change in so many different sorts of people. If you can only take one formula, I think you can't really go wrong with this one. Just because it is so well-rounded. And in terms of grounding, it just offers people that really beautiful baseline, where they can start to actually get a handle of what they want to do, or need to do with their health. So it's just a really good stabilising introduction product, I think. But we'll lead into, in terms of like, we've talked about your intention behind the formulation of this blend. What would you say that the top five or so actions of the JING blend are?
It's in tonification. This is just a pure tonic-building formula. So, in terms of the actions that it is having, it's the tonifying of kidney yin. And then I guess more of a tonic-action, is the harmonising of yin and yang, which is just the harmonising of flow, of kidney water Qi. Then I would say it would be tonifying of the liver as a secondary action. And then there's a lubricating and a tonifying of the lungs as well. And then probably finally, just there is just that little bit of intention with the Asparagus root coming through, to lubricate the large intestine. And then very slight, is the tonification of the Qi, just because when you're working with yin tonics like Rehmannia especially, which is so yin. It's nourishing the kidneys, especially when you have Rehmannia in there. It's the kidney's own food. And this is just to be food for the kidneys.
Remember tonic herbs, even they do have actions to everyone. So I think just having that little bit of Qi action mitigates what can happen if just that 2% of the population that is a little excess in fluid and stagnation, that you can get a little bit of diarrhoea through the Rehmannia, or even the Asparagus root. But then having a Qi tonic in the Goji and the Cordyceps mitigates that a little bit. I don't know if we'll talk about that later. But we might as well cover it now. There is a 1 in 2,000, I'd say, maybe. But it's quite rare. But enough when people go, "Oh, you have taken it for a while, there's a little bit of diarrhoea." And it would just show that perhaps your spleen Qi needs a little bit of attention. We often, they'll just get on Astragalus, or Qi blend, and then boom, right as rain.
If not, that's when you remember, these are really good things that come up with, we talk about it a lot, a little symptom like that, it's not harming. That's what the tonic herbs are. You can't really do too much harm with the tonic herbs, unless you are crazy in a disease state, or symptomatic, that's for sure. You get that little thing come up. That's a good thing with tonic herbalism. You go, "Oh, why did that happen?" And then you talk to us, or you may go, "Yeah. Well, that's spleen Qi." And, "Oh, it's not stopping. Okay, I'm going to go see a practitioner. Hey, this happened when I took this." They're going, "Oh yeah. I can connect to where your kidneys need this rather than this, and that's ..." And boom, and it opens up, you get sovereignty and insight so yeah.
It's interesting, because this conversation actually came up yesterday with one of the team members. Just in the kitchen, because we're serving up hot JING and ginger tonic to the crew every day. And I had a crew member talking to me about this. I was just telling her about the same thing. It's focusing on the spleen, and the spleen's ability to convert and hold Qi. We often, if you contact us through our customer service, we often will just gift to you a small 50-gramme of Qi or Astragalus to just help you on your way.
So that's really awesome, and you spoke to the energetic actions. And I know we're talking about Taoist tonic herbalism, and looking at it through the lens of more of a classical Chinese medicine approach, which is different to Western herbalism. But I use the word, "Action," because I know it's accessible for many people. So if we're looking through that Western-y lens, or people's understanding of taking this product, and it having a particular affinity for certain areas of health, so say adrenal health, or sexual potency is something we talk about a lot with JING.
Yeah, that's right. Okay, so that's, I guess that next layer, is it would be infertility and just general lack of sex drive, is where you see. And clinically, this is where a lot of practitioners use JING formula, weak knees, weak lower back, immunodeficiency a lot of the time. From a Chinese perspective, it's going to look different, but same thing, a capacity to protect yourself. Digestive complaints, remembering that JING, the kidney is like the pilot light. The pilot light is there, you can turn the fire of the spleen on, cook the stomach, the part of the stomach.
Yeah, what did I ... And just having that lack of mental clarity as well. You're going to see that being like a, it's a huge piece. The Neural Nectar is great. But we always, and that has yang JING herbs, because it is the yang JING that fires up your mental capacity. But JING is just that balanced point. Remember, JING is just that lifestyle balance. So you get your lifestyle basics in, and you get your JING in, get your foundation, you're going to see your brain activity naturally start to turn on. And then you add in your Neural Nectars, and those kinds of formulas. And then it just goes to the next level, because it's got foundations.
And that's a really cool point on brain health, because we get asked a lot about cognitive ability and how to potentiate that. And we're always saying, "Yes, lines made in Neural Nectar will work in a more isolated way." But you can't have, as Mason just mentioned, brain capacity without kidney Qi, because remembering back if listeners are familiar with the three treasures and where it all begins, JING is that foundational essence. And without JING, essentially, there is no life in the body. If you don't have the means to potentiate, then there's no point using herbs that are trying to run that engine that doesn't have any juice in it.
I thought I would share just on that point, Ron Teeguarden, and he is a big inspiration for us. He's a master tonic herbalist. And he says, "When kidney Qi is depleted, the mind will be cloudy and slow. Memory will be weak, and intuition will be veiled." So, as Mase was saying in terms of like so common in our Western world to feel foggy-headed, and then reach for coffee or stimulants, or whatever it is. And be temporarily relieved, but not actually get underneath that. Our intuition, our wisdom, our actual seat of knowing is that kidney area. And by taking JING herbs, you're slowly really building that trust and faith in your own knowing, and so that's a really, I like to connect those dots. Because I think it gets underneath why, when you're using a lion's mane or other nootropic herbs, it is not quite cutting it. Or even when your coffee starts not working, because we've all been there. And that's really when there's nothing to kick into gear. So thank you for sharing. That's really cool.
I'd also like just to circle back in terms of energy, and talking about the kidney being the pilot light, and with helping with the spleen in digestion. Just to speak a little bit more, because I know we talked about JING being that core energy, and we've got our prenatal and our postnatal, which we haven't mentioned in this podcast. But many of you who will be familiar with those different components of JING cultivation.
And we'll put a link to an Instagram post we recently put up that explains prenatal, postnatal JING.
Cool. So just in terms of postnatal JING cultivation, digestion, breath work, the ability of your spleen and stomach to actually turn the food that you're eating into usable energy you can store, if you're living within your means, can you just speak a little bit to that and help people understand that's what we mean about energy?
So yeah and that's where the treasure of Qi comes in, and just remembering the three treasures are capturing of various energies and functions, and physical and energetic realities of what you are, and how healthy you are. And so it's a living and breathing, the honing in on the system as a whole. So the Qi part is how your body is digesting food, retaining energy through sunlight, through food, through water, and turning that into the daily Qi, that we use to animate ourselves. You brought up JING being, there'd be no life. And that is true, but even more going into that, without JING, there's there's no potential for that physicality become anything. The physicality is the potential. But then once you put the Qi to the JING, it brings it to life, and it's like the universal puppet master brings you to life and animates you.
But, yeah, it's the basic nature of getting daily energy, is if you're not getting enough, and your cup does not run over, and then you're burning it at both ends. Which everyone is in the west. And I really just want to make sure the rhetoric isn't like, "We're all doing it poorly." We're just living the best lives, it's the best time. It's a harrowing time as well, but it's an incredible time to be alive. We're trying to fit a lot in, and we're having experiences while we're growing and challenging ourselves. And it's not bad. You rely on coffee for a little bit. My gosh, what an amazing gift coffee is. But then what an amazing gift the JING herbs are, because they will come in and ensure that your basic ... Even if you are doing all of the nourishment through food, and breath, and sunlight, and all those other little bits and bobs, if your basic lifestyle and kidney water Qi isn't flowing so that ...
Remember, JING, the best way to think about it is in your bones and your marrow. If you're missing a couple of lifestyle basics, or you're just pushing a little bit too hard so that, I don't know, you're sedentary whatever, you're going to stop, you're not engaged with your body and your JING enough. That's the yang. And you're most likely not going and doing your deep dive, deactivating your nervous system, completely getting into that downward spiralling yin state. And if you don't have those present, which is fine, but all the Qi that's going in, yes, it's giving you your daily Qi, but you're leaking your JING at the same time. If you just get those basics nailed, and there's no perfect formula. Or it's just the thing you got to have your finger on the pulse, there's no one way to approach it.
If you can, of course, be, nice lung function, good spleen function, so you're getting that daily Qi, then you're utilising that to animate. You're working with the sun, going up and going down. So you're not trying to use yang Qi when the sun's going down, and at night. Because that's naturally going to go against the grain. And that's naturally going to pull JING from your kidneys, even though you've got all of that incredible daily Qi.
I'm running around in circles here, because I'm in this real animated place, thinking about it, which I want to, I'm feeling like psychedelic right now, thinking about it which is really nice. I'm feeling a new inspiration around that JING formula. But all in all, it's not going to be perfect, and we know that. We do want to get it perfect, but that just means our perception of ourselves is going to deepen, so we can make the most perfect-ish decision at any one time for us, and for our lives.
So it's like if you're doing night shift now, no, it's okay. It's just, that's where you can have awareness that the Qi comes in, and animates you to a certain extent. But you can only get a certain amount. And if you obsess too much on the breath work and you obsess too much on the food, you're just forgetting. You're leaking. You should just sit back and relax into the kidney Jing essence; it's there. That's your foundation, acknowledge it. It's reality.
When those little things that you see yourself ageing, or you don't like what you're seeing really. And you've inquired, it's like, "Oh, just because I've got a fear of death." And maybe you got to look at that or, "I just fear that I'm ageing, and I'm not going to be beautiful." Okay, look at that first, then do that work. But then when do notice those things and you're like, "Well, that's a bit faster than I would've liked." Or that bone depletion starts to happen. You just start becoming a bit more feeble. You can naturally see when the kidney and JING starts going, you can't produce enough blood. And therefore you can't maintain your Shen spirit permeating through your flesh.
And so what happens is your flesh gets infiltrated by external dogma, and ideology, and thought forms, and obsession. So that's what we're talking about with JING. You need that JING in order to build that blood. And then that combination with the heart gives you such an interesting platform to make choices, as I just said, that are perfect. Because then everyone's is going to be different. And what's perfect now, is going to be different to what's perfect 10 years from now.
But if you just got that awareness of like, "Okay, sit back and just remember focus on that JING just a little bit," which is going to be tied into seasons and the 24-hour clock, and the sun going up, going down. And then we do have JING herbs to help along the way. I could say the same about the kidney forms for Tai Chi, for yin yoga, for all the ... There's many ways for you to learn about that system, but the JING herbs, you literally feel them. You literally feel what happens when tighten up your lifestyle. You take some JING herbs, they're so precious.
And when we get into the herbs, I guess, won't go too deep. But every one of these herbs has like lore behind it. And they're so revered, because the amount of people who have been given that little extra edge. Or just, it's not about adding an edge, that little bit of extra perception that allowed them to keep the tenacity, to keep on going, to reach elderhood and pass wisdom, that's recognised. And that's why they, when you look at Eucommia and Cordyceps, and Goji, and Cistanche, they just, we just, people, we're salivating in gratitude for them. And they're really needed right now in the world. And for humans, these herbs are the messengers from heaven, and they bring a message of perception. And so, yeah, that's, I was thinking all about that as well when I formulated it.
Yeah. And I really love that you spoke to the Shen piece and building blood, because that's really a key piece, especially.
We missed that, didn't we, in the actions?
At this time, we've all been through our own version of the pandemic. I know here in the Northern Rivers, we've had a couple of floods. Everyone's had their personal universe and their wider universe been thrown on its head. And I think at this time, where humanity is very much in this, it's a tumultuous time to getting to somewhere, I believe, better where we're really in the washing machine of all of it globally at the moment, in various different ways. And the key piece here with JING herbs, if that's all you, if that's your inroads, and that's where you stay, is the development of Shen. And Shen really translates in the west, in our Western understanding, is that your mental health. And so we know mental health is such a big thing at the moment, for all those reasons I mentioned above, and segregation and separation and all this sort of stuff.
So to really stay anchored, and to stay true to your own innate wisdom, and your own innate capacity to view the world through a very grounded and sage-like lens to whatever degree. We're not aiming for sainthood, or we're not aiming to levitate out of the room, but really just to, how can you, if you've got enough blood and enough JING, and then you can grasp those moments where you can be gathering a little bit more Shen, really that means when I'm in my life, everyday life, and I'm continuously faced with small obstacles, small or large, that all gets compounded on and feel like one big obstacle, then you really have these little pockets of capacity. Where you're like, "okay, I'm just not going to react to that. I'm going to try my best to respond."
Or if you do react and you lose it, then you go, "Oh, I have the ability to reflect and not feel like everything's against me. So hopefully I haven't gone off on too of a whimsical tangent there. But I think really, if we are thinking, getting down to the nuts and the bolts, beyond this beautiful romantic philosophy, it's at the moment we need to be, have stable mental health, because at all angles, we're being hit with obstacles and challenges, to that very harmonious stable place. And I don't know how long we're going to be here in the world, doing, going through this passageway. And I think if we can use anything that helps us be kinder to ourselves, each other, stay very grounded and clearheaded, then it's a no-brainer.
And if that's all you can do, is put JING blend in your cup every morning, you're actually doing your service to the world and to yourself. I try and think big picture about that, because it is actually really enough. And I know, like you spoke to, I'm just going to speak quickly too. If you're doing all the diet things and all the breath work, and you're doing everything by the book, and you're really attached to this whole process, that interplay, my understanding, which is still very elementary, between the yin and the yang, and wisdom and understanding ourselves, is how do we do all those things in a non-attached way, and be able to just let it all roll back.
And it's those times where you're doing night shift, or you like, "My life's really hectic, and I have to have my double shot espresso every day, because it helps in the grand scheme of things." And not getting too dogmatic and too hard on yourself, when that's happening, but still developing this beautiful container of awareness, where you're like, "Okay, well this is temporary. It's not sustainable, but it's okay for now. Going to take, I'm going to give myself a break, and just follow that."
I think it's just, my experience with using these herbs over the time I have, it's really just this building a sense of, as we spoken about personal sovereignty, but really that just means personal trust and faith, and it's okay to just find your middle path, and that's going to change. And nothing is going to be stable, so you can't get attached to it. And we talk about, we use the bamboo as this nice metaphor of how do we stay really solid and anchored, which is that root system down into the earth, but be able to move and sway with the winds of change, but still retain that deep anchorage, and pull it all into the centre, and really hold it there. I think that's really what we're doing here as an entry point onto that bigger path. So anyway, that was a tangent, but ...
Shen is really good.
JING just reality. I mean, are you entering into a new season of your life? I always think about that when I listen to Landslide, "Can I handle the seasons of my life?" Because yeah, I mean, your JING will tell you if you are holding on, and you need to just accept your changing, things are changing. You need to go into the water. That's kidney water, JING lives in the kidneys, and that's the water. You need to let go, mate, and just go into the big black mystery right now. Don't worry, you'll pop up, and have an identity at some point, but just not for now.
And having the capacity to enter the void.
Yeah, it's hard. It's why-
When you're drawn into it.
It's the bottom of the hero's journey. It's Luke Skywalker going into that cave, to face his deepest, darkest fear, and Darth Vader is there, and then he chopped his head off and, oh my God, it's Luke's face under there. "Maybe Darth is in me." And it's just facing the fears and you can't face fears. I'm feeling it right now, because it's winter and that's when I should be ... And I'm really feeling it. And I probably didn't prepare myself for the fact that if I feel it, things might change, and I might change, and my idea of who I am might change. And it's really, it's scary.
I mean, that's why, in your, you have a lot to do with our team health, and the very first thing we have in the foundation of our team, and that organ system of team, or not even, it's the leadership aspect really, is that everyone's going to constantly be on the hero's journey. And there's going to be those dark nights. And here's the resources and the space. You can't live there, if we want to ... But you still, but moving, here's, we're going to support you, and acknowledge that's going to happen. And that happens in winter. So anyway, a couple of tangents, but that's why JING herbs are good for dark nights of the soul.
Which are more prevalent in these times. All right. So let's spin it back to looking at the herbs in the blend. And I know with formulation, there's a major herbs, there's minor, there's supporting, if you want to speak gently to that aspect, and then just run through our stars?
Yeah. So the major herbs, and yeah, normally in advanced formulations, I've talked about this in last week's podcast, I think actually, or I don't know when this podcast is coming out, a couple of weeks ago. In terms of formulating yeah, the ma major herbs, secondary herbs, then supporting and assistance. So this is very simple. And with I guess, a dual role for Goji, probably the only one. And Cordyceps. So it's, but the major are those three primaries in Eucommia, the Goji, and the Cordyceps. And then secondary is that Cistanche, Rehmannia, and Asparagus root. But the Goji also acts as a supporter, and the Cordyceps also acts as a supporter in its actions. And that's because the Goji is just such a light ...
You'll see, quite often, if you're making a tea at home, that's like you putting all your fandangle teas in there. If you want to know what a supporting herb does, it brings a little bit of sweetness. And so it's got a nice little bit of spleen action, and bringing, bringing everyone together to party. And also that liver action is as well, just so that making sure that first of all, you can digest it through the spleen. We've covered that a little bit already in this conversation. But that's what a supporting herb is. And in a tonic herb formulation, which isn't, they're quite accessible. There's still that level of consideration.
And also there within the liver, gallbladder, just to make sure that as the Qi gets distributed, as it gets down to that, often what is the bottleneck, of the gallbladder system, you have the capacity to alleviate that bottleneck and distribute the Qi. That's quite often, you'll see what happens with tonic herbs, if someone's really pent up. And that's why [inaudible 00:31:50], and Goji berry are used to initiate people into tonic herbalism. And if need to be a little bit more advanced, I think [inaudible 00:31:57]. So, yeah, that then, and that's it, primary and secondary. It's a pretty simple blend.
Cool. And so quickly just on that, in terms of, when people are walking down the path, and they're looking at like, this is a yang tonic and this is a yin tonic, and they want to ... Just, when they're looking at the lineup in the formula, so can you speak to the key yang tonics in that formula, and the key yin tonics. And just because this is, like we do have in our range, we've got so many JING herbs, that we've got [inaudible 00:32:30], we've got Eucommia, Cordyceps, et cetera. And you can work based on just your intention, whether that's mostly yang cultivation, you go for Eucommia. Or yin cultivation, you'd go for probably I am Gaia. So do you want to just speak to when people are starting to get familiar with the herb names and their key personalities just for that?
Yeah. So the Eucommia bark was the very first. It's the first tonic herb in the First Materia Medica. So it's the first one in the formula. Probably, this makes, I'm pretty happy for, there's a few herbs I get really happy that I'm getting people on. Funnily enough, Poria is the other one in Mason's Mushrooms And Qi. It just makes me really happy that people are on Poria, and they don't even know it. Eucommia bark's probably my top one. I don't know what it is about it, but the yang JING, upright personality, that erectness, and that is erectness in our emotions, standing up, standing tall, standing into that leader of the army, general archetype of the liver. And standing up also in the yin side of thing into our creative and artistic, visionary side of ourselves.
But it is just it, the magic of that herb, I mean, and you look at what its clinical actions. Well, I think of the story, I mean, all of these have all of these, these herbs have mystical lore-based stories, because only something fantastical as a story matches just how a fantastic they are. And Du Zhong comes after a farmer named Du Zhong. And he was suffering, he was young, but he was suffering lower back pain. Classic. And so you'll actually find this, someone, he would've put out his intention, or his, whatever you want to call it, his prayer, his wish. And be like, and he just locked into that place where nature always puts the solution there. If it's an intention response, universe, and that's what's in these stories as well.
You put that out, and he's leaning back against this tree, and then notices, after two hours of taking a break, he's like, "Actually my back's feeling a little bit better," and he continues to go and lean on this tree. And then he looks at his mother. And he's got a feeble mother, who's got a terrible back. And she can't actually go there. So then he's peeled the bark, and he's wrapped it around her, and seen that she's sprung back, into having the back of a 30 year-old. And the other legends of just the Tao's watching the deer with broken legs, coming and nibbling at this bark, and following the way of the Tao to these herbs and realising, "Wow, it's not just for curing a broken bone. But actually I'm actually working with this, and the seasons, and the movement forms, and the exercises. I'm actually feeling my bone health cultivating."
Which you can, it's not just the bone health, that's like, "Well, what does that come back to?" And that comes back to an energy we experience of that heating, rising yang JING. And that's why Eucommia had to be there. Originally He Shou Wu was in the formula. And then, I mean, we got into the story, that it's now a banned substance, thinking of all the substances that are out there, that people are putting into their bodies. One company wasn't was allegedly not preparing it correctly, because it needs to be prepared in black beans. And it was having the effect that raw He Shou Wu issue has, which is pretty heavy on the liver. But it, there was a nice thing, it was like, it's devastating. Because He Shou Wu is a magical tonic, and it's still available in America.
If you go to superfeast.com, but only for North Americans, and that's legitimately only for North Americans, there's no wink there. You can't, you will not be able to get it to Australia. But it, the He Shou Wu holds the mantle of primary yin tonic in JING tonic with Goji. And so the thing is about this blend, it's not about any tonic. I mean like there's ... Sure it changes very slightly, but the essence of the action is exactly the same, just with a few different, I don't know, quirks. And the reason it's the primary, both of those are the primary, is because it's so heavily kidney and liver, and so heavily blood-building as well. And guess Goji, again, Goji is another one that has, of course, the magical stories behind it.
And emissary going through, on a government trip. And he sees a girl who's 17 years-old and she's got a long cane, and she's chasing a grey haired old man. And the guy's like, "Hey you can't insult an old guy." And the woman's like, "This is my great grandson. And he's disrespected the family rules. And I must give him a lesson." In the emissary is like, "What rules has he violated?" The lady replies, "We have a tradition, a traditional family medicine, but he refuses to take it. As you can see, he became so senile and doddering at such a young age." And then the guy's like, "How old are you?" And the emissary questioned in awe. And she's like, "I'm already 372." "Then what's the secret." "Well, no big secret. Just taking a single herb frequently." And that, there's a statue of that woman in the province of where, in that Goji berry province, where it grows, Di Tao.
And that is the youth, that brings the youth aspect of tonic herbs, which is why most of the tonic herbs are taken, not for vain reasons, but because when your JING is preserved, you preserve your youth. And you can have, as we all know, your youth can be preserved 70 and 80, 90, regardless of how you look. And a lot of it is temperament. And you can see the people who have earned elderhood, because they've preserved their JING enough. And that's what in, through Taoism, and classical Chinese medicine, there's that those stories of these people who take these tonic herbs, and they stay engaged with that youthful aspect of themselves. They literally do not age prematurely. So they literally maintain a youthful complexion and feeling. Not to say that there's not ageing, but that word is there. There's a real grace to the way that you're ageing. So Goji is just, that's the dominant yin there.
And then Cordyceps coming in as a major yin and yang, slightly more yang, but that can also just be put down to how effective it is with lung tonification. And so from a Western side, you look at an increase in blood oxygenation, increase in energy, increase in Qi. That tilts it over to being a yang herb, but it's actually a good yin JING herb as well. So it does bring that balance, it does that bring a balance to those majors. But it is slightly tipping over into a yang experience. And so you see when, in the supporting herbs, you're going to see that balance out with that slight leaning to the yin.
The Cordyceps, they're bringing the mushroom energy, absolutely essential. And with that and the Asparagus root working on the lung. Ensuring that metal aspect, because I found that's something that when I was taking JING formulas, when there wasn't that lung focus in a formula, and quite prevalent as well, well, where's the mother? If you want to help someone, you go get mum. Mum's soup, you get like a lung-metal soup, mothering the kidneys. Everything's just going to flow a little bit better, which is that's all we're doing here, guys. Remember just, the only place we work on, in herbs, is yin yang , Wu xing, yin yang five elements, five transitions. And so if you can harmonise the yin and yang transformation, as it moves through metal, and then transforms into the water harmoniously, and transforms into the wood harmoniously, you're golden. And your treasures are protected, and you are protected, and you are getting cultivated.
And so that's what we, that's why that lung metal and wood is the focus there. Then coming down into, all of these herbs are, they're herbs of sexual cultivation. Goji is so revered. If you want your youth to ... I think, when we talk about now, when we talk about sexual essence, just remembering, we are talking about potential. So we're not talking, this isn't in Taoism has a lot of, close to tantric sexual practises. Maybe people think it's something about, they relate to the, when we talk about the JING herbs in this way, we've been not promiscuous, but been highly sexually active. It just doesn't even have to fall into that conversation.
Majority of the time you're going to see, it's just a, when you really integrate and start cultivating that sexual essence, you'll just see, maybe it's adventurous, maybe not. It's just a mature and responsible approach to your sexuality, and your sexual essence. And your potential for arousal. It's the same with chasing happiness, tonic herbalism talks about cultivating, having the capacity for spontaneous joy, not joy. So it's the potential for libido, your potential for a strong erection, or strong lubrication, or your appetite, to have the ability to be warmed up. That's what these JING herbs maintain, even if you're not out there, or even feeling it right now, having that potential there, just sitting on the shelf, is really important.
And Goji berry is a magical sexual tonic, and Eucommia bark is like ... The tree, it represents just how firm, that's men's and women's tonic, and Goji berry's especially a men's sexual topic. But it was used clinically, especially for men's. I'm not going to go into all the clinical names, but everything you can imagine. All of these herbs, but then when you get into, getting the fire started, Cistanche is on another level. And that's why we call it Cistanche in your pants. It is such a beautiful flower and desert shrub. It is, I'm quite excited, because it's used as an aphrodisiac. But of course it's not, it's a yang tonic. It is the yang tonic along with the Horny Goat Weed in tonic herbalism. Where again, it's like when people take a Qi tonic, and they're like, "Oh, what's in this? Does this got caffeine in it?" And it's like, "No, it's just that initial peak experience, where you're ..."
The unveiling of what your potential is. And then you don't really want it to work that way. It's the same way that people go and have psychedelic experiences, and then like, "Oh cool. So I need to always be at that peak experience," rather than being like, "Cool. That showed me something that I work towards." That's what JING can be like as well. You will, you got to be careful when you get on JING, because you get potent. Because the amount of, we haven't talked about, when you are taking adaptogens like this, the amount of hormonal regulation and nervous system regulation and HPA access regulation, you're going to start firing. And so guys, you won't be firing blanks. It's going to, and so you need to be mindful of that, but also get excited about that.
And I just wanted to add too, when we're talking about sexual essence and energy, and you spoke to, it's not just about tantric sex practises, or even the act of sex. It's life force energy. And when we're thinking about all these Eastern philosophies of what really this energy is, it's just our capacity to be in life, and be engaged with life. And we [inaudible 00:44:56], and really also traditionally, it's like taking these herbs and doing these lifestyle practises, and following the way of nature. So you can build your container and increase your capacity to hold Qi. So when Mason is talking about having a peak experience, and being like, "Whoa, I'm overcome with this incredible energy, what do I do with it? Do I just like get rid of it, and throw it out everywhere, which is fun?"
Really, it's over time, and in conjunction with building your lifestyle practise, and your diet, and your relationship to holding more and more energy, it's really, "How can you yield, bring in more, but hold it in a very sustainable and grounded way?" Because that's where we often talk about being an elder, and we talk about the sage and blah, blah, blah. There's a very, it's, and if you're doing any sort Qigong form of martial art, it's like, "How do I hold this immense power, but do it with grace?"
And you watch martial artists, or people who are really accelerated in their Qigong practise, and they move so gently, but there's such a incredible amount of power that they're operating with. So when we're talking about sexual capacity and potency, it really is, it's just your ability, your life force. Engaging with what your innate life force is, how you want to express it in this version of who you are, and what you've come here to do. And learning how to hold it, and not just get rid of it, because it's a new, fun thing. Does that [inaudible 00:46:22]-
Yeah, that's exactly it. Behind every great Qigong master is sexual essence, and sexual lubrication, and sexual tissue, like sex organ tissue sensitivity, and semen, and all those things. That's what's behind it. I mean, and just on that, you work with the JING tonics, and then it opens up to other lifestyle things. You don't have to obsess over it, but what happens is the quality of your semen production, the quality of your sexual your sexual fluid production, the quality of the sensitivity, because a lot of, even if you go and work with master Chia art, or any good acupuncturists, if they tickle you and you're highly skittish and tickly, so if you're overly sensitive within your sexual tissue. If it's dull there, you can't get enough sensitivity. Of course, you're not going to change if there's something fundamentally physically going on, then it's looking at it in a different way.
But working with what you've got, you are going to see those systems become much more highly regulated. And then this is just JING herbs. This is just a lifestyle thing. Then you sleep well, you have your blood running through, so you can experience genuine love as who you are. Not skittish reactions as who you are, because you don't have your blood spirit Shen running through your body. Then that leads to really high quality sexual interaction with yourself, and with your lover, with whoever. So that's, yeah I say [inaudible 00:47:58], you got to watch out. But yeah, you never sneeze at that, but I'm so happy that Cistanche in your pants is in there, because then that, Cistanche is just fun as a tonic. One day hopefully, we'll have that individual herb.
But if you go on past Chinatown, you can find some Cistanche, and have it on its own, if you want to have a nice fun night with your partner. That's something you can experience, but you're getting it in the JING tonic as well. And so when you feel that spike, and just if you just go down and click the link, we'll put a link to, so you can get some pictures of the Cistanche flower, which is beautiful. But again it's lore with whatchamacallit, call it Genghis Khan, that's where it comes from. It was 1190 CE, him and his 30,000 men, the beginning of the campaign. They hadn't taken over two thirds of the world yet, were stuck on this sandy hill and they were trapped.
And as the story goes, the people there were, I mean, it's ironic, because it's putting, it's a Mongolian story. Because it's putting God on the side of the Mongols to stop the cruelty happening in the world. Which is like, "Oh, didn't that turn around a little bit for the world and Genghis? But what God did was he wasn't happy with Genghis's foe, sent a horse down from heaven, and it coughed so much that it exploded blood from its mouth. And then that grew the Cistanche shrub. And then they harvested it, took it, became a staple of the army and gave them the strength to go and conquer.
Now Cistanche gets talked about quite often. A lot of that's going to be bullshit. Of course, it's maybe just a Cistanche here and there, but where there's smoke, there's fire. There is, it's the same with Alexander The Great's story going down into Egypt to get Aloe Vera. Maybe it didn't have all the fanfare during the time, but when lore sparks like that, you listen to it. Being on that herb, how amazing? What a special thing to be able to be on that herb that's connected with that story of Genghis for better or worse, his existence? But it's just incredible, what a herb? To be placed there in strengthening that man and that army. And that's what tonic herbs do. They support humans that take them, and on either side, they don't take sides in war.
Yes. All right. Okay, so I just wanted to touch on, I know we talk about our sourcing philosophy of Di Tao?
Well, let me just quickly wrap up with Rehmannia, here and Asparagus root there.
So that brings up a massive spike of yang in the supporting herbs. And that's where with that Cordyceps as well, Rehmannia is a no-brainer. But bringing Rehmannia in, it had to be a supporting, for the general population. Just because it's, I love it for men, but it's so yin, having something like Goji, which goes through the entirety of the body, is a more of a yin, that is, I guess, needed by men. And as well, it's got such a focus on the liver. Rehmannia is just pure yin. It is pure food for the kidneys, and it is all blood-building. And so it's very, so really appropriate., you can see it's a major in the I Am Gaia, but not appropriate for a major. And that's what I alluded to. A lot of the people are spleen Qi deficient, and that would be the one, if that was a major, maybe to tip it over a little bit more. You'd see a little bit more of that excess phlegm being built.
But what a herb? The amount of amazing practitioners throughout history, who are just like, they will not create a formula without Rehmannia in it. Because it's just, everyone is so stressed and therefore deficient in blood, and deficient in kidney yin. Yeah, it's just got to be in there. And I agree, kidney's own food. And then Asparagus root coming in. That's another, just a balance, it's the final ingredient. And it's there to lubricate. It's there to bring a nice, make sure that the, we're not too dry. And that it's yin, yeah, but then lubricating for the large intestine, lubricating for the entire body, lubricating for the lung. It just brings a nice sweetness, and the smooth delivery. So it just all slides right into its perfect spot. So they're the herbs.
And that's the herb where you really get the connection to the heart, because it is that Asparagus root is, you take that, you learn to fly. Which is that's, so we just also wanted that highway between the kidneys and the heart, to be opened, because that's a beautiful, like as above, so below connection.
All right. So do you want to run briefly through the sourcing regions for each herb?
I mean, there's a number of regions for-
Or a little bit about, in terms of we're talking about lore and connecting it to sourcing region, and really this practise of Di Tao that's all a part of it. If you just want to gently put that all in there?
I mean, it's the same as everyone's heard me talk about Di Tao in many ways. There's a certain spirit that comes through each of the herbs when you source it in the place where the [inaudible 00:53:45] dictates that's the province. And then these are the micro climates that you need to be ... It's the thing about the Di Tao is it's, it needs to be creative. You can't just plop a Eucommia bark farm anywhere, although people do. And although they'll look for the conditions ... It's like how China wants to become one of the biggest Macadamia producers. It's like, "Okay." And they're doing it. And they're like, I'm only bringing this up as an example, because I met a woman on my last flight back, who went to the conference.
She was from, and I was like, "Oh, that's so weird." But see, that's not a Di Tao practise. You're going to get macadamias? Sure. You're going to go and find some places where it grows reasonably well? Sure. But when you have Australian Macadamias, it's got the [foreign language 00:54:43], and the oils that it produce is a native, and so on and so forth. It's the same with these JING tonics. It's not going to have the JING itself if it's not a real rough and tumble, in a Mongolian Cistanche. And if it's not spring water. And in terms of getting creative again, it's not just buying land and plunking it there. It's going, finding people who are already using organic principles, and working with them, and seeing, helping them set up a Di Tao farm, because they've got the right micro climate, and they've got the right, the province, and they've got the will to be a high quality ...
Not just that, whatever, "I'm just going to churn it out and make it easy." No, you do it right. You hit these parameters we know, because the quality will be there. Then you get the price premium on creating a Di Tao herb. So that's it. I mean that's yeah, I think everyone's heard me bang on about it quite a bit. But yeah, that's why the JING is so effective. I mean, this is an effective formula. I mean, I think you said you've got a testimonial and a ...
Oh, we've got so many. I mean, I was doing a training with some of our reps couple of weeks ago, and we had gifted them all, we've been doing the three treasures education pieces, and we'd gifted them our 100 grammes of JING each to try. And then the next training I was tuning in with them about how they went. And one of the women was, she was like, "Oh, I just, I feel so grounded using this blend. I've had so many people come up to me and say, 'Wow, what's changed about you. Have you got a new skincare routine? Or have you got something changed?'" And it was just really her energy, in a, I guess, in an energetic way too, her aura was really grounded. And even our wholesale manager, Lucia, who knows this rep, immediately we're on a Zoom call. And she was like, "Yeah, you look, I can totally tell, you look, there's something different about you." And that was a really beautiful recent one. I mean, we have like millions.
Oh, I might share one as well.
[inaudible 00:56:46] one, from the original days maybe?
Yeah, from the original days. But even like, we're going to wrap up soon everyone. But I was doing a talk in Noosa, and it was these two older women, older, but they were like 50, 60s. And my talks are flying, I'm having too much Asparagus root beforehand, and I'm off in talking about philosophy. And I'm like, "Oh crap, I forgot to talk about herb." Once, and that these two women, they're stunned, [inaudible 00:57:15] faces a little bit. I don't take that personally. Because I know that sometimes people's concentration face, but I could tell a lot of this was just like, "What? I just don't get it." And anyway, that was the case. They were like, "Look, I don't know what you just said, but we had to come and meet you."
One of the women was like, "I got on JING. I'm going, my menopausal symptoms were so was so awful." And she's like, "I just couldn't carry on for an entire day without having to go home due to the flushes." And just started rattling off, that she had her own symptoms. And I was like, "Oh wow, they sound really bad." She's like, "And I just got on JING. I don't know why I walked into the shop, and I just bought it. And I started pounding it, and my symptoms started becoming alleviated." And she was like, "And then I thought of my friend." And this little woman, and she really didn't know what I was talking about. I could tell. And she was like, "I was seriously at the point where I was not, on zero sleep. I was on zero functionality."
She said, "I don't know what I would've done if it kept up, I'd been to doctors and everything." And I'm not, I would probably assume she didn't go to a practitioner that SuperFeast would recommend, where they probably would've been able to get onto it in a clinical way. And I'm also not recommending this is how you approach menopause. I'm just telling you what happened. And she was like, she obviously happened to find that sweet spot where JING was relevant to her symptomology, which doesn't always happen with menopause. Because there's so many reasons why it could be going pear-shaped. But she just said JING ... She was like, "In two days, my life has turned around, and I don't know what to say to you, because I don't know what I would've done if I hadn't found this formula."
And we're both, I've only cried a real few times, where I really was crying because she was looking at me, going, "I just, I can't, you can't understand how magic this formula is to me." Yeah. And there's been a lot of those. It's precious. These are very precious herbs. Again, that's the beauty of tonic herbs. Sometimes it is a swing, and you're randomly swinging. And sometimes a lot of the time with tonic herbs, you find you do land there, and you find something beautiful. Especially when you've been spat out, and gone, "There's nothing we can do for you." And then you go looking for the path of sovereignty. And you meet the herbs and you think the herbs are giving it to you, but no, you're engaged with something else. Anyway, that's, I know it's probably time to let our beautiful listeners go about their days and go make more of their JING tonics.
Yes. So I just wanted to all bring it together quickly. Let's just circle back to JING blend is, when you're using it, you're going to be servicing blood, core energy-
... and marrow, brain capacity.
Keeping the youth.
Youthfulness, buoyancy, just general hormonal regulation.
And there's two sides to it. It's a yin and yang. You're going to be exhausted, on edge, and not having capacity and got no tenacity. You want to be taken JING and you want to get back there. You want make sure your lower back's not sore, your neck's not sore. So you've got that ability to go through the seasons of your life, which is ... The seasons aren't, sometimes the seasons of a life is going to be so dragging through the mud, and you're not going to maybe, exercise might not be perfect. Everything might not be perfect, but that's when you take the JING when you see the signs you're not going to be able to get through those, and be on eggshells.
And then on the other side of it is when you're "Oh, I'm feeling really good. And at capacity." You slot those JING herbs in just to when you're thinking about your future self, just putting money in the bank. You're probably, that's where people feel the switch between like, "Oh my God, I've needed this for six months. And now I feel like I don't don't need it." And so there is a need and an intentional want phase of it. And you might go between those, hopefully, you won't be in need too much. But sometimes you need it. Because you're getting dragged through a shit storm. And the JING herbs are beautiful during that time. But then just for athletes, anyone going a [inaudible 01:01:19] themselves. We're talking about endurance, we're talking about core energy, we're talking about stamina. So these are the herbs for athletes, JING and Qi herbs are athlete herbs.
All right. Well I think we can wrap it up there. Thank you Mase for sharing that.
Thanks for coming on the podcast. That was great. I really enjoy this format. I really loved going back into the lore of the JING herbs, and then the JING formula itself. It's a really magical blend. And guys, I recommend, it's a real good one to get people for Christmas, and or for birthdays, it transforms people's lives. And if someone tried it once, get them a 250 gramme bag, and give them a recipe card and go, "Hey, hit it." And then tell them about 30 days of JING. If they're not, if they're doing going too hard on coffee and complaining, go, "Hey, here's a little jar of JING. Here's a little prezzie for you." We'll wrap it up, and it will look beautiful in the box for you. It can absolutely transform someone's life getting onto it. So guys, get it out there. Give a hand for Sophia, everyone. That's it. We'll see you next time. See you everyone.