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Mason is joined on the show today by the magnificent Rosie Rees. Rosie is a leader and pioneer in the field of sexual wellness, and and activist and advocate for the feminine form and its vast array of power and prowess. Rosie champions women of every age and expression to embrace their bodies and reclaim their right to body sovereignty and pleasure.
This chat has been a long time coming and it is truly such a gift to have Rosie here with us sharing her special flavour of magic. Throughout the conversation Rosie and Mason touch on the areas of Taoist sexual practice, yoni de-armouring, using self pleasure as a gateway to living through the intuitive lens, sexuality through a woman's seasons; pre and post menopause, conscious relating and so much more!
Within the dialog shared around the practice of self pleasure, Rosie highlights the importance of curating a relationship with pain, emphasising the prevalence of numbness that many women commonly suffer from within their yoni space.
Rosie puts forward that the process of transforming numbness into pleasure is alchemical and involves an entire spectrum of sensation which may include physical and emotional pain. Rosie goes on to champion the power of holding oneself through this process and re-iterates that self pleasure is a self lead healing practice where anything can come up, in, out and through for release.
As with any journey of self knowledge the heroine will be asked to delve into the subterranean depths of her body and psyche, her liberation guided by her willingness to meet whatever arises on her path of embodiment.
A potent, juicy, fun and refreshing exploration into the realms of feminine pleasure today, take a moment and dive in.
"Sometimes we talk about self-pleasure practise, what about a self-pain practise? Do you make time to actually, if you are using a wand or a vibrator or a dildo or whatever, even your egg, you are not just going to have rainbows and butterflies come up. It's okay, just sometimes you've just got to feel and let out the tears or the rage or the anger. And this is why I call it a self-led healing practise, because you are in charge, you're in control, and anything can come up and out."
- Rosie Rees
Rosie & Mason discuss:
- Marriage and conscious coupling.
- The importance of calling on your wellness tools in times of stress or ill health.
- The dangerous side effects of Intrauterine devices (IUD's).
- The power of yoni egg practices for overall health and wellness.
- Applying traditional Taoist sexual practice to the modern age.
- Rosie's origin story, and the magic of following the intuitive breadcrumbs when working to bring your dreams into fruition.
- Yoni de-armouring; the breakdown and the breakthrough.
- Sexuality in perimenopause & menopause.
Who is Rosie Rees ?
Rosie Rees (she/her) is an activist for the vagina, a groundbreaking sex toy creator, sex educator, and pleasure pioneer. Rosie's work moves beyond “normalising” the existence of women and their bodies; it is a full-blown revolutionary act that dismantles the structures that have women convinced that their bodies aren’t their greatest allies, pleasure isn’t their birthright, and that the pinnacle of their evolution is how small and quiet they can be.
Rosie founded Yoni Pleasure Palace, The Naked Awakening (Women’s Nude Yoga), and is one of Australia’s leading Sex and Relationship Coaches. Rosie's work started with her own awakening and continues to have a ripple effect of viral proportions, actively creating the world we have been waiting for.
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Check Out The Transcript Below:
Mason:
Okay, Rosie. Here we are. Finally, we made it.
Rosie Rees:
At last. It's been like six months in the making.
Mason:
Yeah. I mean that's been understandable. The six months run up for this, you've been doing something, I don't know, something somewhat important in your personal life. We don't have to go there, but yeah.
Rosie Rees:
Something I never thought I'd do, can I just say. I never thought I'd get married, but I did. And it was funny, on the actual wedding day I was like, "This is why people do it," because you have your whole collective of loved ones, they're celebrating you and your relationship. And I was like, "Okay, I get it now."
Mason:
Yeah. I mean I feel like we're kind of past that period of just pure black and white, no to that institution and everyone's like, "Okay, there is pure institutionalisation and people doing it just for the sake of what's been stuffed down our throat about what marriage is and you should," and blah blah blah, blah, blah. I mean there's old-fashioned in the sense of there's an old-fashioned commitment and then there's old-fashioned of just like, it's just what you do. So, we're kind of teasing out those two and able to follow threads and now we're at a point where people are like, "Okay, marriage is relevant again."
But in that sense for you, because I felt that as well, I mean Tahnee and I had a split. We had a legal wedding and then a spirit wedding, but everyone does it in their own way. How did that fall for you? I'm interested, we didn't think we'd go here straight away, but in what you were saying and why you thought you'd never would and what it really, deep in your fibres, what it represents for you.
Rosie Rees:
I guess my reasoning for not wanting to walk down the aisle and get married, I realised it was coming from a place of not necessarily fear but pain, because I'd just witnessed my mum go through three marriages and lots of divorces and separations that affected me as a child. And I just never fantasised about getting married. I never saw the point because it just ended in divorce. Why would I do that? And so I shared that with my partner, Ash, from the get go, but they said they always wanted to get married and have kids. So, we've always kind of not seen eye to eye on that, but then when they proposed, it was just a fuck yes that rolled out of my mouth. But then it was funny, we got engaged and then I needed to actually say, "Babe, do you mind if we just take it off the plate? I don't want to consider it right now."
Because what happened two years ago is Ash got transverse myelitis caused by MS, so basically there was a lesion in their spinal cord that caused their left leg to become completely paralysed. So, this whole health journey happened and marriage just was not something that we were even contemplating. And then after they started to learn how to walk again and it was a huge journey there, from that experience we fell into just more deeper love and reverence for each other. And I just was like, "Yeah, let's do it. I get it now. I want to be with you."
And I also said, "I still think that we need to think of marriage as a contract and we renew it every five to 10 years or so. That's how I need to go into it, because I don't think that we stay the same person and things change." So, it's a contractual... That sounds really bad, but they get it. And I think it's important that you stay on the same page and that you reassess every five to 10 years.
Mason:
I mean it's funny how this community's like, "Oh, it's a contract." And then yet we're able to talk about soul contracts and be like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got soul contracts with this person." But you're like, "No, but this is a contract." And you see the contract goes beyond legal contract, and contract represents this agreement, agreement of expectations. And that's probably something I agree with you there in terms of looking at that five year and that 10 year.
I was just talking to a friend who's a parent as well yesterday with all the AI stuff coming, and we were both expressing how exciting it is to just be a part of it and how much trepidation we have being a part of it and just how as a family or as a couple, how many times you need to just come together and just do the adjustments, consistently. Because you have one wedding, there's all this random expectation, institutional expectation, who you were here, who you were there, and just the capacity to just adjust, adjust, adjust, adjust, make sure you're in the same divot of energy, so on and so forth. And then, as you're saying, and then there is the contract thing and being like, "Let's make sure we're both, 'Yes, we are formally, legally, contractually still on the same page here.'" It's super significant. Otherwise all these other assumptions just kind of creep in there that need to get fleshed out.
Rosie Rees:
Absolutely. And I said to Ash, "If you really want to marry me, I can't feel any pressure. If I feel any pressure, it's like I'm running the other way." And they're great like that. They don't put that expectation on me. And it's always I come around to it in my own time, whatever it is we are going into, whether we want kids. That was another thing that we needed to take off, to not be available as an option for a while, because the idea of it really scared me. And we've tried with a couple of sperm donors over the years and it hasn't worked, and I'm actually grateful for that not happening when it did.
And that's a whole big conversation as well, is going down that track. Because I feel like the older you get, and I'm mid-thirties, I'm 35, and I really love my life, Mason. I love the life that I've created and you start to get more comfortable with it and then you're like, "Oh, if we have kids or we do this or that, that's going to change. I really love my sleep. I really love my freedom." So, I feel like I love my thirties so much more than I love my twenties, but there's big life decisions to make.
Mason:
Yeah, sleep. That's a nice one to be aware of. And if you really truly value it... It's amazing how I was that person who I never had an unbroken sleep ever. Ever. And now I never have a full sleep.
Rosie Rees:
Oh no, don't tell me that. Oh, well I'm impressed by what you've created if you haven't had that much sleep. That's impressive.
Mason:
I mean, look, a little bit of broken sleep, this is why I got the herbs, this is why I feel like we're in the work that we do because we know if we're going to take on these biggies and we're still going to develop and we're still going to not get resigned and all these kinds of things, at least we've got some big bopper philosophies or herbs or practises or we're able to actually evolve the way that we relate to sex or our own bodies, so on and so forth. It really helps because when the kiddies come along or when you start a business, whatever it is, you go through all these things, it's like, "Oh, shit, I didn't expect all that weight on." In Taoism, our Kidney Essence, our Jing, when the Waters of the Kidney can maintain enough of a flow, and it doesn't take much, you've just got to be able to hold on with your tenacity enough.
That brings the Spirit of the Kidneys out, which is the willingness and your willingness to pack on the weight. I'm going to pick it up and I'm going to keep on rolling forward. And if you can take that responsibility forward rather than just be buckled and be like, "Oh, okay, this is my life now. I guess it doesn't go anywhere." The Kidney wisdom and the Water wisdom is going, "This weight is on me and I can't move right now, but I know it'll change and I know I still need to keep an eye on those things that matter to me and maybe it shifts a little bit now, but nonetheless, I don't acquiesce. I've still got the willingness and oh, there's a little bit of movement, bang."
And you pick it up and you walk forward. That's why I love your work, because sometimes with your work, I'm sure you'd see it with all the people you're working with, sometimes it's a 50 percenter increase in their vitality, sometimes it's a one percenter. And it's the same with the herbs. We're just trying to feel this, I don't know, it's like a .... culture.
Rosie Rees:
It's your tools. Yeah, it's using your tools, pulling out the big guns when you need to. I had to do it the other day. I just felt my libido after I got influenza A and just COVID and all that stuff after the wedding, my libido just crashed. And so I thought, "Okay, it's time to really get consistent with my yoni egg practise." And it's amazing how quickly it just revitalises your whole network of not just your yoni pelvic floor muscles but arousal and life force energy and creative energy instantly. And it's like sometimes you forget your tools, but they're really important to call on when you need.
Mason:
Have you found a difference in the way that you're teaching and the way the community either responds or the type of people that coming into community when you are, I don't know if you were single when you started or I'm sure there's times and you're like, "Yeah," and you have lots of young people coming in and working with it and it's like, "Oh my god, it's all so good. It's the best ever." And then all of a sudden there's like business stuff and there's marriage and Ash going through her illness and then you're like, "Oh crap." Was there a new contextualising and understanding of what these practises were that you were offering?
Rosie Rees:
Oh totally. When I first started, I was 26, so it's almost 10 years ago. And I remember I used to use the eggs as a self-pleasure tool. I just was literally coming off using vibrators for five years or so and only knowing that way of climaxing and self-pleasuring. And I remember the Jade egg practitioners Taoist teachers were mortified that I was sharing and really targeting the mid-twenties women who were learning how to masturbate and self-pleasure in a way that's really conscious and self-loving. And they couldn't believe that I was sharing the Jade egg practise in that way, which is crazy because you can use it any way you fucking want really, it's your body.
But I was really targeting younger folk that wanted to connect to their pussies in a way that wasn't needing to give pleasure to someone else or get pleasure. It was just this beautiful healing as well. I don't know one person who doesn't have some form of sexual trauma or pelvic trauma, whether that's from something sexual or birth trauma or whatever it is. Even getting an IUD in is traumatic for some people, getting a menstrual cup out, or whatever it might be.
Mason:
IUD thankfully is getting another little renaissance of awareness right now. Sorry to butt in, I just wanted to, in case we don't get back to that, that is so much bigger I think than everyone realises. And then work like this, there's so many women out there that have had this copper thing popped in and not realising that there's a phase afterwards.
Rosie Rees:
Well, I have a whole IUD highlight reel on my Rosie Rees Instagram that I've had hundreds of women reach out to me saying thank you. So, I haven't had an IUD, but I am an advocate, because I've had so many women message me and reach out and go, "My yoni is traumatised because I got this IUD Mirena coil, whatever you want to call it, in my cervix. And then it got lost or it went up and embedded into my abdomen or my womb, or perforated my uterus," or, "My baby came out with it," or whatever. And I just thought, "This is fucked." And one woman sent me a photo, it's on my highlight reel, and the IUD is lodged in her, literally. And that can lead a woman to infertility, and there's no one talking about these precautions that you need to know about and reasons why maybe not to get it.
And I'm just such an advocate for letting yourself bleed. I came off the pill and it was the worst two years of my life. And this is actually another reason I use the egg, not that I can say it scientifically helps with hormones, but of course connecting, touching, feeling, looking, tasting, smelling, whatever, and putting this egg stimulus inside your vagina, of course it's going to have a positive effect on you, because you're connecting with her. My periods were horrific after going off the pill. My womb was pissed at me, but then now they're beautiful. My bleed is amazing. I get pretty bad PMs still and I'm working on that, but my actual bleed is amazing. And everyone's in a different space and there's lots of women with endo and PCOS, I have PCOS as well, but the IUD, I just don't think is going to fix it. And there's so many reasons not to get it.
Mason:
And you probably were right in the fire line when you talk about the Taoist practitioners. Taoism and a lot of the lineages, there is a fine line at the transition to society that we have where we want to act traditionally, but we've gone through such a transformation in the way that this has been applied to society and maybe there is a huge difference between eastern society in which they emerge and now what we're dealing with in the west. And this universe that I can see is expanding for you, and in those days when it was women in their mid twenties who they've had, whether it's sexual trauma, there's trauma there. And I agree with you, seeing here's an ancient practise, I'm going to maintain integrity in the way it's done, but it needs to be opened to women who just need to move something.
They don't need psychology or that's happening. There's herbs that they can take, so on and so forth. But we need to physically move and we need to physically connect and experience the emotions that come out when that tension and that traumatic tension come out you. That must be a funny thing for you to have gone through that phase and gone, "I know this is right, but I'm getting this scrutiny from those that have the integrity." I really respect that kind of pioneering energy, especially since maybe they didn't realise that you had the integrity and it was going to continue to go with the intention of the lineage.
Rosie Rees:
So, I mean I'm just unintentionally modernising it really. If you think about the history of the Jade egg, it was reserved solely for the queen and her concubines in the Royal Palace according to text. Now, anyone can use it and you can use it any way you want to use it passively or actively. And I think that it did trigger a lot of traditionalists at the time. But now I mean look at where sexual wellness has gone now. Everything I did 10 years ago, whether it was naked yoga, couples nude yoga, the yoni eggs, the crystal dildos, I did cop a fair bit from people, but maybe because it was just weird and it was really facing a lot of that stigma and taboo. But I'm so fucking glad my 26-year-old fierce, ballsy, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about me, that person in me just did it anyway. And I knew what I was doing, and to look back now more in hindsight, I'm so proud of myself because of where it is now.
Mason:
Well, I'm really interested in this because I can empathise with some similarities and I know I had to go through a few real dark nights and questioning myself with the herbs for similar things when we had acupuncturist societies going, "No, we dish the herbs, you can't give people the herbs." So, I can really relate to it. So, I'm wondering at what age or stage of the business, were there any times when you were feeling really rocked in just discerning here's the muse of my company and what I'm doing and I want to continue and they're trying to disconnect me from something that's not theirs to disconnect me from? Is there a real pivotal point in that journey?
Rosie Rees:
I remember I was at a cafe once with my family and someone sent me a message of an article that was written about me just completely knocking me, my services, what I did. And I'm such a sensitive little flower, but I burst into tears. And then I remember, I can't remember which family member it was, it might have even been my ex-boyfriend at the time. He was like, "If you are going to do this, you need to do it and you can't care what people... People are going to say something." And actually after that, touch wood, I actually haven't had much, because I made a decision in that moment. I was like, "I'm going ahead with this. I don't care what people say. It might hurt me, but I'm still going to go and do the thing." And after that, nothing really has rocked me.
Mason:
What did you say? What?
Rosie Rees:
It was just a decision.
Mason:
A decision.
Rosie Rees:
A decision I made. Yeah.
Mason:
I love it, because this is fascinating to me and I do want to get into the depths of where you're at at the moment with your offerings, but something about hearing this story, there's a root source idea and inspiration, which I know is still there from what you were sensing before you were 26 and then you've taken it into manifestation and it continues to go. So, I like connecting with that core. Was there any criticism? Because I know at times there's shitty criticism, was there any key just external advice or criticism that you were like, "Ooh, that one I'm going to maybe not listen to," but it's like there's a validity there and you were able to bounce off it and come back to your own centre?
Rosie Rees:
I think at the start I tried to please everyone and offer my services and everything to everyone. And I remember working with my therapist at the time and she was like, "Rosie," and it was more about boundaries really. "Do you really want to coach women and men? Do you really want to coach couples as well? And do you really want to have products for absolutely every..." I think because I'm a recovering people pleaser, there was this real need for me to hone in. So, that was great advice and I sort of took off my services for couples and for men and I just focused on women. And there's been certain things like that and I've made that decision and made that change and that shift in my offering or whatever. I used to do yoni massage. I decided to stop doing that, because it was just such a huge space to hold.
And I loved it, but I knew that if I wanted to take my businesses where they are now, I couldn't be doing these big service offerings which take three to five hours of your day and run multiple e-commerce empires. So, there's definitely decisions I've made over the period of time that I've cut them out. I like to think of it as to kill. What do you want to kill off so you can make something else grow? Like when a fire goes through the bush, you need that regrowth, that rebirth. So, there's lots of things that I've cut out of my life in order to grow.
Mason:
I don't know about you, but that's a real prominent energy at the moment. I don't know, for my business, we've got a year theme that we have a year away every March and for me it's Metal, it's a Metal theme this year. And Metal obviously is about chopping and refining, and when you refine the metal you come back to the true value and then that can shine and then that can have the condensation and attract the water that leads to essence. And everything you're just saying there, it's all we want to put permaculture kind of terminology. It's like, "All right, that's a sentimental branch. It gave me a lot of fruit once, but you got to chop and drop."
Rosie Rees:
Exactly.
Mason:
And that's probably the way you've said it, I'm like it's beautiful and it's inspiring, but I can also understand just how much went into chopping things that you're so connected to. And it's a risk as well when you have a small business, because you're like, "Is this going to screw me? Am I not going to be able to grow these other things?" So yeah, massive kudos.
Rosie Rees:
And even relationships, I've had to cut relationships, intimate relationships that weren't in alignment anymore. And it was amazing how much business grew after that happened, which it was sad at the time, but it's not just offerings or services, people too. I didn't start any of this until I moved to Perth. I'm from Queensland, I'm a Queenslander through and through, but I moved to Perth and it just felt like this fertile land. I didn't know anyone, I just started fresh on this clean slate and that's what I needed. So, it's just knowing where you need to be and who you need to be with in order to grow.
Mason:
Why did you move? Maybe there's someone listening who isn't listening to those little prickles.
Rosie Rees:
Well, actually I got into my sexology master's over here, which is funny because that's what pulled me over here. But because my businesses took off so quickly, I couldn't balance both. And I'd already done five years at university doing journalism and business with marketing. So, it pulled me here, it was beautiful, because it was a magnet, it drew me here because I wanted to become a sexologist. But actually in what I've created, I'm kind of doing everything I want to do now anyway. Even though it's funny because you've got to follow those breadcrumbs. I was climbing the corporate ladder in Sydney and I ended up falling in love with my boss and then he ended up becoming an awful narcissistic, manipulative person. But it was the best thing that happened to me, because when I ended that relationship I just had this spiritual awakening because I chose myself.
I ended this toxic relationship, chose myself, quit my corporate job and went to India to study yoga. And that was these little breadcrumbs along the way and it wasn't until I came back and then I was like, "And then I want to do a relationship coaching course. I want to help other women get out of toxic relationships." So, it's just all these pieces that happen led me over to Perth, which is funny because my whole family have migrated over here over the years as well, and you might not know, I didn't know that I would be running all these businesses now, but what I did know is I loved yoga. And then that took me to Bali and I did my Kundalini yoga teacher training, and while I was there I went to a Jade egg workshop. When I put this Jade egg in, I wanted to share this with more people and now here I am. So. It's following those little hints from the divine. You might not know exactly where you're going, but if it feels good in the moment, you've just got to follow what feels good now and then it leads you exactly to where you need to be.
Mason:
You brought up the Jade eggs early and that was what we were talking about, especially in working with women of that demographic. Has the Jade eggs continued to be the draw in, in terms of when you see other age brackets getting into it? And has that been a driving offering of you?
Rosie Rees:
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I've got my Jade egg not in my vagina right now, but in my pants just warming up. Yeah, it is. It really is. I mean I've never had a damaged pelvic floor or anything like that, but for me it has been connecting to my yoni helps with my overall body connection. When I have a yoni egg in, it brings me out of my head and into my body and so that's where I kind of teach it from, an embodiment perspective. But I notice more and more women are just so numb inside their vagina more than anything, numb or tense and it will have bladder leakage. I just think that the yoni egg can really help a lot of those things.
With tension, a lot of people are like, "Oh, don't use an egg if you have a lot of pelvic floor tension," which is true, but you can still use an egg or a wand to massage the walls of the vagina to release those pockets of tension and numbness that build up over the years. You might not even know how. It might have just been that one time you had sex when you were really drunk and you said yes to penetration before you were ready. Your yoni might be holding onto that. And so just pressing the egg or the wand or whatever you're using or even your finger just onto that space can help release that and bring awareness and intention and presence and love. It's amazing the things that can be released just from that.
Mason:
I mean you're in an emerging field, it's well established, but compared to the institutions that people are used to working with, it's emerging and you're dealing with what you just said then in terms of if you've got that tention, don't use yoni eggs. And you've, again, rightfully like acknowledged, "Okay, yes, but..." That but, it's important beyond belief, because that's that wall. I mean we have that standard with when we've got a tool here that, yes, maybe it's not taught in universities, therefore you don't have a qualification of a doctor, therefore people don't have this ambiguous, "Oh, just trust everything that Rosie says because she's a yoni doctor." We don't have that yet, but you're under fire. People have those intense medications been thrown out without any nuance yet.
With a yoni egg they're like, "Oh no, you couldn't possibly if there's tension." It's like, "Are you kidding me? Of course there's the capacity to use this." But they don't want to touch anything. No one wants to touch anything and it's so dangerous to go inside of a vagina. Same with men with Taoist's, "It's so dangerous to get in and really massage your scrotum and really get in into all the little nooks and crannies." And I still find it intimidating when I'm going through an intense time in my business and I find it intimidating and that's why I know what I'm shying away from is the thing that I need. But when there's everything that you know would've come up against all these years, all these attacks just going, you're not allowed to use it and this and there's so much danger and there's so much this, but you are looking and you are on the other side just going, "You have no idea what this is going to open up."
Rosie Rees:
I just did a post the other day on yoni sunning, which is essentially sunning your yoni, opening your whatever, perineum, butt hole, vagina, whatever, to the sun. And I specifically say in the pose, 30 seconds is perfect if you can receive that vitamin D absorption just for 30 seconds. And everyone went crazy, or not everyone actually, most of them were really positive, but there were some people that were like, "This is so dangerous." And I'm like, "Well, yes, it's dangerous if you're sitting out there for hours and that sensitive skin is receiving the sun, but it's 30 seconds." Honestly, yes, it is sensitive skin, but I feel like when I do that kind of thing, and I don't know if you've done this before, you feel instantly high. Sometimes I go for a more than 30 seconds, I'm not going to lie, but you do feel this energy burst from having that experience.
So, anything I share, even what was it the other day? I said something else, what was it? Something about my menstrual blood? I shared about using the yoni egg to bring on your bleed, because if my period's running a bit overtime and late and I'm waiting for it at day 33 to 35, I'll put my yoni egg in and it stimulates my bleed to come on. Oh my gosh, even that post. And everyone is different. It might not work for everyone, but I'm not going to not share what works for me. I'm not saying it's going to work for everyone and I'm not saying it's scientifically proven. They don't funnel money into these kinds of things for scientific research, but it's worked for me. So, I really feel like it'll work for other people as well.
Mason:
I mean you found the sweet spot, you know how to work the system as well as have integrity in the way that you're talking to people, because we're really attempting to increase the maturity and the IQ around these kinds of things slowly. And I'm interested, I'm sure you've seen it, slowly you've got a bunch of women who are, they're front-runners in the wellness world and with their sexuality and then all of a sudden it comes up and there's people who are getting curious and all of a sudden now we're getting into the mainstream. And these women and, well, everyone is slowly starting to get in and it kind of makes it sometimes more volatile in the sense you've got to watch what you're saying, but in terms of sunning and I was putting out #dsonyourbs and #dsonyourvs 10 years ago as well and getting the same thing.
And you can understand when you put yourself purely in like we just rely on cultural institutions and medical institutions just to catch us when we fall. And then when you get into this place where it's just do something that, yeah, it can be dangerous maybe 2% of the time if you're really stupid, but there's stupid people, therefore you're not allowed to because there's low hanging fruit that will screw themselves up. And that happens in the beginning maybe when there's no people like yourself who refined the message and is able to deliver it in a way that is able to facilitate people to engage with touching themselves. Going, "Oh, maybe I have a right to work with my bleed or work with my cycle."
That's why I like, I'm now talking to you for 20 minutes now, I'm like, yeah, I can really vibe that frontline that you are working with and it's nice to see that you've landed in such a place. So, I'm sure configuring your message and when you go too hard too fast out there, when you burst that external mainstream bubble verse when you're just like, cool, I'm just going to have my message and my way and I know that. It's really beautiful to get into this world.
Rosie Rees:
Thank you. Yeah, it is. And that's why I say the 30 seconds and that's why I say start with 15 minutes of yoni egg work because, yes, I might wear my yoni egg for half the day, but I'm not going to go ahead and tell everyone else to do that because I've been doing it for 10 years and there are people out there who just take the piss and go and do something silly and kind of ruin it for other people. But it is, I just want people to listen to their own bodies. That's what started it for me, listening to those cues.
Mason:
There's so much subconscious fear as well, like a vagina or a penis, but a vagina that has the capacity to manoeuvre and sense in many different ways of course is as above, so below, it's going to lead to psychological unlockings and more nuanced capacity to think and feel and it's going to bring on spiritual development. It's going to be one of the pieces of massive puzzle. We've got a society that's very scared of our subconscious or of our shadow, and so that's probably one of those areas. Herbs is a fun one, because people don't realise the herbs are going to make you feel, so it doesn't bring up that shadow for people.
But then they get on a Shen herb or Rishi and they're like, "Oh my god, I'm feeling," and I'm like, "Surprise!" Whereas something in your vagina, people are like, "Okay, no." The fear is there. So, I can only imagine. It's really cool. The testimonials you must be hearing, which you can't share because you're a responsible person who goes like, "This is an unrealistic expectation." Can we hear a couple of those with the context of not everyone's going to experience this, but there are a few whopper testimonials that kind of sit in your heart.
Rosie Rees:
I mean part of my business strategy and plan is expos. We go to these old school marketplace convention expos and people were like, "Why do you do that?" And I'm like, "These are the places, this is where the mainstream hang." Yes, I want to target spiritual people and people that are connected to their bodies, but I'd love to reach those mainstream women in their forties, fifties and sixties who didn't get any of their sexual education and maybe still aren't. And so some of my absolute favourite ever testimonials are from women who buy a yoni egg from us at one of these expos, whether it's mind, body, spirit or conscious living and then come back a year later and are I like, "Holy fucking shit, that's the best thing I ever did. And I don't wee when I sneeze anymore." Or, "I am having better sex with my husband than we ever have in 20 years."
And it's usually the ones, the women have just been so suppressed and shut down and they use it and it awakens them. And seeing it in person as well and having these women crying at the stand, and I'm sure there's a lot, I mean there's so many over the years, Mason, it's hard to you even pinpoint a few right now, but just women who've never had an orgasm even and wear it and then start having them. It's just like this is where it's at. And people think it's all about the pelvic floor, but it's really just, like you said, it's about feeling more. We want to feel more and, yes, that might mean you feel a bit more pain, but if you really want to get from numbness to pleasure, you've kind of got to go through this journey of feeling, which can experience a lot of pain.
Sometimes we talk about self-pleasure practise, what about a self-pain practise? Do you make time to actually, if you are using a wand or a vibrator or a dildo or whatever, even your egg, you are not just going to have rainbows and butterflies come up. It's okay just sometimes you've just got to feel and let out the tears or the rage or the anger. And this is why I call it a self-led healing practise, because you are in charge, you're in control, and anything can come up and out.
Mason:
Yeah, I guess that's something you would've, really thinking about that now, I guess with being a yoga teacher, the same conversation on a scale that people can approach around pain and you're like, "Yes, that's uncomfortable, that's why you do yoga." But when it comes to sexual, whatever word I'm looking for, and they're like, "Ow." No, sex is, you are meant to give me pleasure. People are, it's either binding, it's why they either go like that's where I get the displeasure. It's like, no, these are people who have gone through the pain and they're on the outskirts and realising that, not that it's about pain, but there's places where pain in the sexual world is something that they seek either excessively or because they know it's a practise for them.
But it's like that's a part of it. I can only imagine, because that much tension, that much trauma. I imagine, has that been something you've been surprised about how much time you've had to embed into the way that you develop your customer service and your education? Did you maybe think, "Oh, I didn't think this would be such a huge part of the offering?"
Rosie Rees:
Oh yeah. And this is the thing, the products that we sell, they can bring up so much shit to the surface. And so that's why I'm so passionate about not just selling. I'm not like, "Here buy my shit." It's like, "Buy this product and then here's some support." I've got a Facebook group with 25,000 women in it. I've got the Golden Yoni membership for 40 bucks a month with 14 modules of content that you can just chip away at in your own time. There's just so much support, free content all through the website, blogs, videos, because you can sometimes awaken the beast and a lot of stuff that you've maybe been spending a lot of time pushing down and suppressing, particularly if you're using a stone like obsidian or something like that, it can really awaken.
Even yoni de-armouring, like all the practises that I talk about, it can really bring up a lot of stuff to the surface. But it's knowing that we can hold ourselves and if we have the skills that I wish we were all taught in school, but you're typically taught in tantra, it's like the breath, sound and movement and touch to just move those feelings of discomfort out. And I remember one of my tantra teachers, I was feeling this really ugly emotion and I didn't like to feel it. I didn't want to feel it. And he was like, "What if you just right now accepted the feeling and actually felt it fully?"
And I did it and I did it in that moment, I must've been around 26. If you really go into the feeling and let yourself feel that ugly, yucky, sticky, uncomfortable emotion, it's amazing how it shifts. That's where we spend so much time in our life trying to avoid those feelings, which they come up in sex. Some of the best sex I've ever had has been bursting into tears after the orgasm or allowing myself to rage if I need to. At the moment something my partner's experiencing is ecstatic laughter after orgasm, which makes no sense. They're like, "Why is this happening?" This is just, you're in your heart and it's moving that through. It's beautiful. Anything could come through and it's just about not having any judgement for that.
Mason:
Don't know why you, I'm thinking about this, are you working with a lot of women and people at the moment still who were in toxic relationships because that was a core inspiration, because that's where you were from? Has that stayed, the energy?
Rosie Rees:
No. Well, it's so funny, Mason. I seem to attract, not so much customers but clients with whatever I'm going through in my life. So, at that time when I was in that toxic relationship or moving out of it, that's all I attracted in. It's like I'm very magnetic for what I'm going through at the moment. I get a lot of lesbian couples, which is great at the moment, and it's usually a lot of women, typically people who can't orgasm or want to have a better orgasmic experience. And at the moment it's libido, because I'm going through the libido thing. It's people who are finding they've got a mismatched libido with their partner and what to do in that situation.
Mason:
So, I'm curious for some reason, I don't know why I'm thinking about this, whether people who have boyfriends or husbands or have girlfriends or wives, no doubt you have to focus on the individual now is what I'm sensing and not the type of relationship that they're in. But you must hear a lot and attract the type of person who is willing to change themselves and also take responsibility for the relationship that they're in. So, I know that there is a lot of stigma, rightfully so, and I know I've been this person even after I've had been super spiritual and had a herbal company and into Taoism where I've become staunch and closed off and I've been that grunty guy that doesn't want to talk about my emotions and all that kind of stuff.
Even it goes with everything that I know, but I imagine you must hear a lot about of the partners and either the acceptance or the boundary. What's coming through at the moment? Are you watching transformations of the partners a lot coming through at the moment? Or are many women going, "Okay, I have to accept that this is me and I accept them to an extent with a boundary?" Where is that at at the moment? Because I haven't heard someone like yourself, you're so close to it, where is all this at the moment?
Rosie Rees:
It's mixed I would say. I feel like there's a lot of women, as you've probably been aware, who've just gone on this huge spiritual sexual journey and either their partner is along for the ride and the journey or they're just like, "What the fuck? I can't keep up with this." Because my partner is not a "spiritual person," but they actually are in a totally different way. And a lot of people love seeing and witnessing our relationship, because I'm not with someone who's tantric. I've been there, I've done that. I've been with people like that, but that doesn't mean that we can't have that deep connection.
I don't know, even in what we eat is so different, how we operate. We are complete opposites, but people are really loving seeing that, okay, well I can be the spiritual divine goddess and still be with a mainstream person and have a really healthy, amazing relationship. Yes, there is elements of like, well, you need to educate. There's a lot of education I've needed to teach Ash along the way. Just simple little things around communication, that's not little or simple.
Mason:
But they're like your values, right? This is a core value thing for you that you're needing to communicate. Is that what you mean?
Rosie Rees:
Yeah, exactly. And then I think it's people just really want to understand, especially sexually, how can I tell my partner what I really want and how can we have better sex and how can we connect deeper and more, not just in the pussy, but in the heart with my partner. That's what I'm noticing. And then a lot of men, a lot of beautiful men are going on this incredible journey of tapping into their power and their sacred sexuality and their voice. That's what I'm noticing at the moment anyway.
Mason:
Yeah, and I think a common theme that I'm like, yeah, I've noticed that as well in terms of it doesn't have to be a typical spiritual tantric person. In fact, it gets to a point where that gets a little, I'm a little bit tired of seeing those culty mannerisms been thrown at me all the time. You're allowed to embody where you came from and the way you think and be accepted, but that's confused a lot of people. But there's a contrast of you're not allowed to act like that, you're not allowed to be into that. And then be able to connect through the heart, which thankfully we seem to be really cracking into a new phase within this community.
Rosie Rees:
Totally. I mean there was years where I was vegan and ate organic and didn't have a TV or a microwave, because that's what my values were at the time, but also I just felt like that's what spiritual people do. And I used to wear fisherman pants and I was such a little hippie, but actually looking back, I kind of... what's the word? I don't know. Pronunciated so much of what was me, and now I feel like, yes, I'm still deeply spiritual, but I'm allowed to nice things. I have a Louis Vuitton handbag, I have a Range Rover. I didn't allow myself to really have nice things, enjoy nice things. And now I feel like you can have both, you can be both. It's okay to embody your spiritual side and still be that human that you were when you were born.
Mason:
Oh, absolutely. And I feel like it's not even about having the nice thing. It's about I'm resisting something and it's putting a glass ceiling on me from reaching another level of my development or my business or the impact I'm going to be able to have. Screw it. I'm just going to go with the flow and accept these things into my life, and then you can just move on with that. I think quite often in these instances, people are going like, "Oh, okay, great, you have a Range Rover." It's like, if I may speak, it's not about the Range Rover, it's about the thing that was stopping you from having the Range Rover.
Rosie Rees:
Yeah. And that's something that I always wanted. It was on my vision board and just whatever it is, I didn't allow myself to feel my desires and fulfil my desires. So, I think it really comes down to knowing what your desires are and I know that sounds all very materialistic. It's not. Like there's other things that is so important to me that I've allowed myself to, yeah, I desire that and that's how I want to be in the world.
Mason:
Cool. I'm going to bring this up now just in case, because we don't have too much time left, but just in case it opens a little can of worms in terms of there's lots to talk about. There's the demographics opening up, there's been so many conversations I've just been having in the last week with women who are perimenopausal. Can you tell me there, because I've got a blend for women and so many menopausal women are like, "Oh, it says menstruation on there. Can I have that if I've been through menopause? Can I have it?" And it's like, oh my God, and it's the perfect blend for menopause. But I can't. Tahnee gets into that conversation deeply. I'm curious as when that cracked for you? 25,000 women, I imagine there's a lot of women there who are going through that initiation and that journey. I'd just love to hear what's going on in your world with that phase of life.
Rosie Rees:
Oh yeah. So, we have a whole module in the Golden Yoni membership on menstruation and menopause, and I have, I think it's about three or four teachers who come in to educate women about the menopausal transition. Because it's not something that we know much about or that's talked about very often, or even if you just Google menopause. The images of women is just women in pain and agony. It's just awful. This awful time of their life. I've actually heard some really beautiful stories of women transitioning into just this epic version of themselves. And we have a teacher inside the Golden Yoni membership, Claudia, who was working for us. She specifically is teaching for Yoni Pleasure Palace purely for peri and postmenopausal women, because it's such a chunk of time in our life as well. It can be a couple of years, it can really stretch out, and you don't know what your body's doing.
And all this shit comes up around is it too late for kids? Am I happy with my decisions that I've made around my fertility? And your body changes and where you carry weight and your vagina, typically, and this is what so many women at these expos share with me, their vagina just dries up, and not just dries up, but it prevents penetration. It goes on strike. And I don't really believe it has to. And I mean obviously that's because their oestrogen is lowering and that kind of thing, but a lot of the products that we talk about and share, whether that's yoni steaming, whether that's our lubricants or even a yoni egg, a simple yoni egg can just help to bring some life force energy and stimulation and blood flow to the pelvis to help you become more lubricated and a little bit more open.
I just think this conversation is just getting started here actually. And especially as I am getting older and wiser, obviously when I step into it, I'll be talking about it more and more. But I want it to be a really beautiful transition for women.
Mason:
Yeah. I've got no idea about that. I do in my head, I know a lot in my head that I've had a lot of podcasts about it. I've listened to Tahnee do a lot of podcasts about it and listen to a lot of people. I've got no idea. The closer I get to it intellectually, the further I get away from understanding exactly what that transition is. And that's why I'm like, yeah, I really appreciate you sharing that because there's just this whoa, in our culture around it and steaming, yeah, there's going to be hormonal changes. Don't stop there. I think I'm just kind of forgetting how powerful the eggs are in terms of, it's not like you are just getting a dildo and just giving yourself therapy, not that that doesn't work in the walls.
You have to engage. That's why I can see there's this fear and trepidation around it, because you have to engage. But any transition, we need anything we can get at this stage for men or women in menopause or andropause, and it doesn't matter what, we need everything that we can get. And it's always just nice getting in touch with the worlds where that's happening and you know that's getting out there because I honestly, I have no idea. I can sense the potency of it. I can sense the power of it. I can sense how deprived we are of women who have been able to really land, and men, and exactly the same with men, really land on the other side. The Taoism is all about that. It's about refining your Shen to be so unique and get through these transitional points where you don't just have to use mannerisms to get through life and wisdom from your culture.
Rosie Rees:
And even they talk about the yoni egg helping with your youthfulness, which I don't talk about very much, but there's this glorification of women just eternally looking youthful, which is bullshit. But traditionally they've said using a yoni egg and doing your pelvic floor exercises, because you can just wear a yoni egg passively, that's just popping in and doing a beautiful meditation or a yoga practise or just sitting with it in, or lying within it in, reading a book. But they talk about how that can actually soften the skin and promote more collagen and that kind of stuff. But I think it's really just connecting with your genitals, with your pussy, giving yourself lots of pleasure and orgasms and stimulation is going to help you feel and look more youthful and more radiant. Always.
Mason:
You talk a lot about the different types of orgasm, of course, but anything in particular there about the yoni egg moving you beyond just particular association of what orgasm is, or where it comes from and accessing those other levels?
Rosie Rees:
Well, what happened for me, so I used to only have these external climatic, "genital sneeze" orgasms. Started using the yoni egg and I shit you not, within a month, and I used it consistently for a month, I started squirting. I started having internal orgasms that would shudder through my entire body. That's not a coincidence. And now I feel like my partner can just insert their fingers into me and I'm orgasmic instantly. Instantly. That was not the case for me. And so that's why I am passionate about it. Will that happen to everyone? I don't know, but I think it helps.
Mason:
Even if it's relatively, even if it's not a little sneeze and a big sneeze. Even if you're a big sneezer now.
Rosie Rees:
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It wakes up the vaginal pleasure nerves and networks. I have just as much pleasure inside my vagina as I do on my clitoris. And I mean obviously it's all interlinked and the clitoral network extends into the G zone and the urethral sponge and stuff. So, if you're waking up inside, of course, even your clitoral orgasms are going to become stronger as well. So, that's just a cherry on top.
Mason:
What have you found have been some of the interesting benefits that women have experienced psychologically? Maybe they can vision a little bit more, like the power they've been able to cultivate in their own lives and strengths. Are there any real standouts there?
Rosie Rees:
Well, I guess a big one is releasing trauma, traumatic stuff that they've been holding onto from using the stone. Stepping into their power. I believe if you're really connected to your sexuality and your sexual essence, sexual essence and your creative essence is very similar vibration. And if you are not making babies, and we're not, most of the time in our life, we're not making a baby, which is what your sexual energy is designed to do, is to procreate and create life, it's like what are you putting this sexual energy into to create what else in your life? So, I've heard so many women tap into that by using the egg or whatever, any of our tools on our website, and then all this creative inspiration comes to them. And that's what happened to me when I started using the egg. I started also doing naked yoga in my backyard.
And I remember I was doing my naked yoga using my yoni egg in just this beautiful zone. And boom, out of nowhere, this idea to start naked yoga workshops for women came through instantly and it's like, I don't know if I hadn't been doing all of those kinds of things, maybe that idea wouldn't have planted or that seed wouldn't have planted. And I think you can feel when there's an idea floating around and it's looking for a host. And then I believe the people who are really open channels and ready, and that was me at the time, it's just like, boom, I'll take that one. Thank you.
Mason:
I think that's underestimated. Again, we talked about the one percenters, the five percenters. Be surprised. And I think this is why when people are working with tools like these or herbs like these or whatever-
Rosie Rees:
Herbs.
Mason:
Yeah, herbs, just if you have a little pause and reflection and be like, "Would I have gotten over that hump if I didn't have these?" And downloaded that and had the courage to say yes to that idea. I think that's obviously every wisdom practise has the reflection moments, which we've kind of gone herbs, tools, it's the only way we've been able to get things in to the western world and western culture. And then backing that up are the reflection practises and then the gratitude practises and all that kind of stuff. But it's pretty significant. And that's why it's not a scientific method, because you never know when you're going to get the power to interact with an idea. And I think that's a very objective thing. I think there's these ideas, these visions that we have to be able to come through with it. I think you're bang on there.
Rosie Rees:
Yeah. 100%.
Mason:
All right. You've got so many. Can you plug away at all of your-
Rosie Rees:
Sure. Where do I start? Okay. So, my Instagram, you can start there, it's always shadow-banned, so you have to type it out in full.
Mason:
Stop saying vagina and sex and vulva and clitoris.
Rosie Rees:
I hardly do.
Mason:
Be a good little girl.
Rosie Rees:
I'm a good girl. It's crazy. rosie.rees, R-E-E-S, and then yoni_pleasure_palace. And the website's at yonipleasurepalace.com, splashblanket.com, yinnbody.com.
Mason:
Can you explain Splash Blanket?
Rosie Rees:
Yeah. So, Slash Blanket, I've got one here with me, is a waterproof blanket that was birthed from my sexual escapades with my partner. I was so sick and tired of washing the sheets after squirting and stuff, so I created a plush, waterproof blanket for sex, for intimacy. It's gone beyond that though, honestly. It's like people are birthing on these blankets. People are free bleeding on them. They're using them for elderly incontinence, pets, kids, breast milk leakages in bed.
Mason:
Just because they feel so nice and they're so functional as well?
Rosie Rees:
Yeah, so they're so comforting and soft and they're waterproof and washable. So, the liquid, it absorbs and it doesn't go through to the other side. So, I think it's a mental thing when you know you can let go and make a mess, your orgasm, your sex, whatever you are doing is going to be so much better. Because if you think, "Oh, I've just washed the sheets," or, "I'm on this beautiful white couch that we just bought and spent $5,000 on."
Mason:
You're at an Airbnb, you're at a hotel.
Rosie Rees:
Exactly. Having a blanket under you just gives you that peace of mind that you can fully let the floodgates open or make a bit of a mess, or give your partner a full body oily massage and not worry about it staining the surface that you're on. So, Splash Blanket is amazing. Actually we've got a sale on now for end of financial year. But what else have we got? And the Yinn Body, which is the lubricants, the organic lubricants, which are just magic.
Mason:
Yeah. Congrats on getting Yinn. I was like, God, I'm one of the first people to ever be sent some of those bottles back in the day when it was first created.
Rosie Rees:
Well, let us know if you need some more.
Mason:
Oh, I will. Well, I was just about to make a joke around maybe when I don't have a one-year-old, but that's ....
Rosie Rees:
I can believe it.
Mason:
Yeah. Amazing. All right. And the Facebook groups and the... Was it Golden Yoni?
Rosie Rees:
Yeah, Golden Yoni, it's all on yonipleasurepalace.com, so they can find it there.
Mason:
Oh, it's on there. Okay.
Rosie Rees:
Yeah. Yeah.
Mason:
Awesome. Thank you.
Rosie Rees:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Mason:
We got there. It's really nice to chat and I really appreciate you sharing the intricacies of the journey and I've really appreciated connecting to the nuance of what you do in the world that you inhabit.
Rosie Rees:
It's great to go into it. I haven't delved into that side of things in a podcast ever, or I don't think. I love your questioning, it's so different. It's been great.
Mason:
Oh good. My secret is not preparing at all.
Rosie Rees:
Yes. I'm all for that. Yes. Excellent.
Mason:
Well, hope we can chat again and just stay connected through all the interwebs and all that kind of stuff. I know SuperFeast and Yinn had a little collab.
Rosie Rees:
Collab, love that.
Mason:
Yes. Why not? I mean similar lineages, so let's keep the parties going.
Rosie Rees:
Yeah, I agree. Similar resonance. Thank you so much for having me.
Mason:
Pleasure. See you later everybody. Go and follow Rosie. Bye.
Rosie Rees:
Thanks guys. Bye.
